Irene is a total joke
can't believe people here are actually worried about this
they're actually closing the subway system this weekend
what an over reaction|||Quote:
I live in NYC
Irene is a total joke
can't believe people here are actually worried about this
they're actually closing the subway system this weekend
what an over reaction
JamesL, the problem isn't that there will be mass destruction. But, the winds will be at 35-45 mph at the peak hours with gusts possibly much higher. This will not knock your house over or tear off your roof, but it is enough to hurt you when tree branches and debris go airborne, which means you need to be careful and stay indoors, particularly if you are in a city, where wind get channelled down streets. Moreover, storm surges can flood lower areas, shut down roads and public transit. And one of the biggest issues is power lines getting knocked out (sometimes for days).|||Closed all flights and trains and subways on the east coast?
Really ?
LOL
It would be a joke but it costs to much to laugh at.|||Quote:
Closed all flights and trains and subways on the east coast?
Really ?
LOL
It would be a joke but it costs to much to laugh at.
BobCox2, you can't take off or land safely with wind speeds that high. Here: http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?sat=1.
The almost entire North East is going to get wind speeds of at least 40 mph with gusts even higher - just at ground level. The higher you go, the worse it gets and the farther it extends. When talking about taking aircraft up in this weather, you'r not talking just about dollars, but lives.|||That winds going to blow those am-track trains they closed right of the tracks I guess?
“North of Delaware, most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds,” said Dr. Simon Atkins CEO, Advanced Forecasting Corporation [AFC].
“The demise of Irene has already begun,” Dr. Atkins explained. “There is no visible eye. The storm intensity is down to 99 mph. This would be a low-end category 2 or a strong category 1 storm, while 36 hours ago some predicted a catastrophic category 4 storm. Air Force Reserve aircraft have found that Irene’s eyewall has collapsed, and the central pressure has risen — rising pressure means a weakening storm.”
“The reduction in storm intensity likely confirms that this storm is not going to be as monstrous as it has been publicly forecast to be.”
Dr. Atkin’s argument is backed up by the National Weather Service, which shows Hurricane Irene is already weakening. The bureau has lowered its warning for the tri-state area from a hurricane to a tropical storm.|||Quote:
That winds going to blow those am-track trains they closed right of the tracks I guess?
“North of Delaware, most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds,” said Dr. Simon Atkins CEO, Advanced Forecasting Corporation [AFC].
“The demise of Irene has already begun,” Dr. Atkins explained. “There is no visible eye. The storm intensity is down to 99 mph. This would be a low-end category 2 or a strong category 1 storm, while 36 hours ago some predicted a catastrophic category 4 storm. Air Force Reserve aircraft have found that Irene’s eyewall has collapsed, and the central pressure has risen — rising pressure means a weakening storm.”
“The reduction in storm intensity likely confirms that this storm is not going to be as monstrous as it has been publicly forecast to be.”
Dr. Atkin’s argument is backed up by the National Weather Service, which shows Hurricane Irene is already weakening. The bureau has lowered its warning for the tri-state area from a hurricane to a tropical storm.
Do you understand what a Category 1 Hurricane is capable of? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%...ale#Category_1. You want to put a airplane up in that?
Right now it is a low Category 2 and the sustained wind speeds are 101 mph with 54 mph ground speeds on the coast. If it hits New York at a low Category 1, which is the prediction, it will still have sustained wind speeds of at least 74 mph with ground speeds of 30-40 mph and gusts of 50 or more. Flying is not safe in these conditions unsafe.
As for AmTrak, what those winds will do is blow stuff onto the railway, making it a risk for AmTrak to run. This is why they have brought in extra cutting crews even for metropolitan rail transit.
It might be just fine tomorrow in New York, but decisions like these are made based on probabilities calculated on the best available data during a window that would allow for evacuation and re-routing and getting provisions and, more importantly, preventing catastrophes. They are not some evil government agenda to bankrupt businesses. Right now the outlook is too hazardous for flying or rail services.|||
Both are non-events out here on the WC
I get Santa Ana Winds in the 40-70MPH range all the time and only at the upper end do they cancel flights, if the winds only from one direction it's not that big a deal even for planes if the runways are not sideways to it.
Your Buying a bunch of Hype J
Sure it's a big deal if the wall falls on you, but this is a case of a ton of prevention and a ounce of problem.
In the Carolinas its a threat, in NY it's not.
Except for the Hype and GOV ordered shutdowns
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/...128517643.html
But then after Katrina they all are playing CYA
The NE is not the Gulf.|||Quote:
Both are non-events out here on the WC
I get Santa Ana Winds in the 40-70MPH range all the time and only at the upper end do they cancel flights, if the winds only from one direction it's not that big a deal even for planes if the runways are not sideways to it.
Your Buying a bunch of Hype J
Sure it's a big deal if the wall falls on you, but this is a case of a ton of prevention and a ounce of problem.
In the Carolinas its a threat, in NY it's not.
Except for the Hype and ordered shutdowns
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/...128517643.html
But then after Katrina they all are playing CYA
The NE is not the Gulf.
You don't really have the expertise to be making the claims you are, unless you have a degree in meteorology and public policy and civil engineering and have discussed things over with the panels of your colleagues.
If you did, you'd have noted that the hurricane is 50-60 miles off the coast right now at a low category 2 and ground wind speeds are still 54 mph with even higher gusts. You'd also have noted the trajectory takes it almost directly over New York City and is still predicted to be a category 1 at that time.
No, this won't be anything like Katrina, a category 5, but not everything below a category 5 is a hi-ho time.
Moreover, the nature of a hurricane is that the wind does not come from a predictable direction at a predictable speed on the time frame and scale a plane landing works on. Add to that that regardless of what happens in Santa Anna, East Coast airports aren't designed for that weather, let alone to change the orientation of their runways according to tropical storm gusts, and AmTrak locomotives and metropolitan rail, which shut when there are a few inches of snow, aren't equipped to clear tracks of debris. Other problems such as trees frequently surrounding power lines and storm drains unable to handle more than an inch or two of rain also feed into these issues.
I'll put my trust in people with an education in the matter. I am done with this debate. You're wanting to justify sending people into unsafe conditions just so you can rag on government or media or whatever. The people who made these decisions did so because of an educated estimation and a window to work in. The media can do what it wants with all this and so can the politicians, but these decision were made almost entirely by unelected officials who have other interest in mind, namely, safety and the financial and human costs that come from failing to take the right precautions given the probabilities.|||Irene is going to be nothing more than an average heavy rainstorm
sure, we'll see some newspapers and light trash blowing through the street, but really nothing to get excited about
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