I'm thinking this is a good thing myself,
People are paying a price but that's what freedom costs.
|||Yes exactly, this is what freedom costs. A lot of blood. Im afraid though they are not buying freedom right now. They are merely changing the oppressors.
All european revolutions went along drastic secular changes.
The arab spring on the other hand is a huge "allah akbar" yelling muslim brotherhood coup d'etat.
I'm sorry for the arab people but they are heading towards pretty dark times. The oil is running out, the tourism is non-existent, the infrastructures are war shaken and the powerholders are young and unexperienced.
Syria will never break the regeme though. They have a totally different situation there. All the syrian military belongs to a special minority who is holding power. They have to cling to their power to survive. They will never give it up. Impossible.
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Jihad is going nowhere. Jihad is a phantom. Ridiculous and harmless outcry made big by media. All the footage of furious crowds chanting death to all non believers looks impressive but really its not. Arab world is laughably weak. Even Israel was able to defeat 5 arab countries in a week or something. They can recruit militants. Place bombs in airplanes but in the end of the day they are irrelevant for our western world. Unable to field any serious modern military.|||"You show us a new way, you sound so sincere.
How sweet it must be to be able to think so clear.
But you are just another in a long line of fools
Giving us freedom - with a new set of rules."
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Yes exactly, this is what freedom costs. A lot of blood.
Im afraid though they are not buying freedom right now. They are merely changing the oppressors.
All european revolutions went along drastic secular changes.
The arab spring on the other hand is a huge "allah akbar" yelling muslim brotherhood coup d'etat.
I'm sorry for the arab people but they are heading towards pretty dark times. The oil is running out, the tourism is non-existent, the infrastructures are war shaken and the powerholders are young and unexperienced.
Syria will never break the regeme though. They have a totally different situation there. All the syrian military belongs to a special minority who is holding power. They have to cling to their power to survive. They will never give it up. Impossible.
And to answer the thread name:
Jihad is going nowhere. Jihad is a phantom. Ridiculous and harmless outcry made big by media. All the footage of furious crowds chanting death to all non believers looks impressive but really its not. Arab world is laughably weak. Even Israel was able to defeat 5 arab countries in a week or something. They can recruit militants. Place bombs in airplanes but in the end of the day they are irrelevant for our western world. Unable to field any serious modern military.
Dude be polite and say something like "Well What I think is:"
Before the rest of that OK?
I mean we westerners have been tight with Satan for a long time after all.
Spoiler
Voltaire, when asked on his deathbed to renounce Satan:
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Jihad is going nowhere. Jihad is a phantom. Ridiculous and harmless outcry made big by media. All the footage of furious crowds chanting death to all non believers looks impressive but really its not. Arab world is laughably weak. Even Israel was able to defeat 5 arab countries in a week or something. They can recruit militants. Place bombs in airplanes but in the end of the day they are irrelevant for our western world. Unable to field any serious modern military.
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one.
Yes, the jihad is stage-managed by a crowd of cartoon-ishly malevolent jackass types. Yes, the countries hosting it are laughable in their attempts to ape Western civilization (I'm sure you've seen the pictures of Iranian weapons testing). Yes, their culture is deeply and inherently flawed, so much so that it causes their armies to be easily routed (an inability to live in a high-rise building because it places you under someone else's feet, for example).
But you should never underestimate the sheer power of an infinite number of such buffoons. Thanks to the AQ Khan network, they have nuclear technology if not ability, and eventually they'll manage to try something - whether using something of their own manufacture, or more likely one of the ex-USSR nukes they have managed to obtain.
That's what the so-called "Bush Doctrine" was about. We can't ignore the threat no matter how silly the cavemen making it seem.|||So what if they do get hold of a nuke?
Can they deliver it? DO you think you can buy a nuke and just like that drop it on newyork? Ofcourse you dont. Offense is much harder to pull off than defense in a war. They may be able to hold off western troops who came to their lands but they cannot attack us yet. And not in 100 years either.
OK, so assuming they do have a nuke and manage to drop it on us. Can you imagine what we will do with them? Once we are in direct life threatening situation we will literally rape them all. Bomb them all into stone age regardless of who is civilian and who is a terrorist. This is only NOW that we speak of human rights and peace, once we are in real danger, heads will roll.
The Bush doctrine? Do you mean to initiate a senseless war? The threat is ridiculously small. Even in worst case scenario the damage they can inflict wont harm 1% of the west. We on the other hand can literally kill 99% of them.|||The tough part is getting a nuke... until the time when Pakistan falls apart. I doubt that China or Russia will allow that to happen, however. Anyway, once you have a nuke, it shouldn't be much of a problem smuggle it into a harbour, for example.
BTW, they will try to get more than one nuke, of course. One to be used on the enemy, and further ones to keep in the back hand, so we don't go frenzy.
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Can you imagine what we will do with them? Once we are in direct life threatening situation we will literally rape them all. Bomb them all into stone age regardless of who is civilian and who is a terrorist. This is only NOW that we speak of human rights and peace, once we are in real danger, heads will roll.
That might happen for individuals, in "kill or be killed" situations, but not in a war of that dimensions, involving superpowers and the biggest oil exporters. BTW, it need less nukes than you might think to produce a nuclear winter.
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The Bush doctrine? Do you mean to initiate a senseless war? The threat is ridiculously small. Even in worst case scenario the damage they can inflict wont harm 1% of the west. We on the other hand can literally kill 99% of them.
Sure we can, but only in theory. Once we let them know, other countries will ally with them (like China and Russia... and they will happily call dibs on all their oil then) and these countries are immune to our funny threats.
BTW, Germany has no nukes, so I guess you want the US to do it. Why are you saying "us" then when you mean "them"?
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I mean NATO ofcourse. And germany is a valuable member too.
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That might happen for individuals, in "kill or be killed" situations, but not in a war of that dimensions, involving superpowers and the biggest oil exporters. BTW, it need less nukes than you might think to produce a nuclear winter.
If we bomb them to smithereens the oil will still be there. And especially when the whole west dicides its a matter of survival all the arab countries will be in a world of pain.
AFAIK it need some 50 nukes to produce a nuclear winter. No threat.
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Sure we can, but only in theory. Once we let them know, other countries will ally with them (like China and Russia... and they will happily call dibs on all their oil then) and these countries are immune to our funny threats.
Russia is a major fuel seller itself. They only profit from arabs getting thrown out of business. And china has 1 carrier now. What do you expect them to do? To field a war against nato?
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Russia and China could just buy the oil, so the others don't have it. Both countries currently support a lot of states which aren't beacons of freedom, so dictators might feel tempted to ally with them than with those who want to enforce their ideas on them or pester them with complaints abut human right violations, no matter how justified we believe our claims to be. That's the difference between ideology and reality.
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And china has 1 carrier now.
The carrier means nothing in a war against the NATO, it's not needed. If you want to defeat the NATO members themselves, you can skip conventional warfare. You need nukes on intercontinental missiles and be prepared for a counter-attack, respctively for a first strike by them, as that's the NATO strategy versus nuclear powers of a certain size.
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What do you expect them to do? To field a war against nato?
Yes, I do expect that from a country with a hundred nukes which is on the way to becoming the leading world power. They have enough nukes to make a massive threat towards anybody who dares to threaten or attack their allies. You are suggesting an escalation of a kind which was avoided during the cold war and if the decision makers think like you, we will have one again soon.|||Quote:
So what if they do get hold of a nuke?
Can they deliver it?
Yes. That's the problem. Do you think for a second that the filth wouldn't butcher thousands of their own just to have a chance at getting <you>? You KNOW that's how they think. The tunnels in Gaza, the radical elements in Jordan, the pitiful joke of the Lebanese military - there are a number of vectors it could be used from. It wouldn't destroy Israel, but it would be more than enough to destabilize you in conjunction with an offensive.
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DO you think you can buy a nuke and just like that drop it on newyork? Ofcourse you dont.
No, but it would be child's play to place one in a shipping container and bring it up the Hudson River.
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This is only NOW that we speak of human rights and peace, once we are in real danger, heads will roll.
They are assured that we will prevent you. I suspect they're right. You nuke Mecca, we'll turn our gaze aside while someone else does the same to you.
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The Bush doctrine? Do you mean to initiate a senseless war? The threat is ridiculously small.
There was nothing at all senseless about the Iraq adventure - just stupendously ill-managed. The whole "you break it, you buy it" concept that the Progressives of both parties demand we shoulder is insane.
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Even in worst case scenario the damage they can inflict wont harm 1% of the west. We on the other hand can literally kill 99% of them.
Oh, come on. We can't kill them capably; they breed like roaches and hide like rats. Our technological infrastructure are just as vulnerable as theirs, and while it would take a while to destroy it, the sophistication and interdependence of our systems would cause extensive harm. Just look at what the Democrat-supported fraud in our housing market has done to the world's economy.
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The tough part is getting a nuke... until the time when Pakistan falls apart. I doubt that China or Russia will allow that to happen, however.
Al Quaeda had two Russian MIRV's, at one point or another - I have no idea if either actually worked though. There's been more than one counter-espionage incident where the terrorist rubes were sold inactive components.
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