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I'd say that $150/barrel oil is perfectly capable of happening without the need for an evil conspiracy. Of course, that would mean that sometimes events just happen without the need for a secret group of overlords controlling events, and we can't have that, can we?
Most of the times I read or hear an opinion of an usa or england person regarding a war were their country is involved, I get the surprise of seen how naive can someone be. Do you really think that most of the countries don't act in function of their economic interests? And do you think that when this country has the military and politic power of the United States they won't try to get involved in the inner issues of another country for their own benefit? I'm not against the UN's decision of stopping Gadafi, but thinking that those western countries are invading Libya for the "freedom" or "democracy" is just incredibly naive.
Without the oil involved, they wouldn't do anything; just as it happens in another places with much more cruelty dictatorships, as Myanmar or Swaziland.|||I agree with President Obama on this one:
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The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.
Oh wait, that was before he got elected. My bad.|||Back in the day army was to protect the homeland.
Now army is to protect whoever the hell you want?
Thats bull****. Even if gadaffi is a ****head no country has the right to **** with him until he attacks them. WTF is up with that? Next time some countries gang up on someone cuz media say theyr a baddie its ok to go in there and change their leader?
This way of thinking is flawed in so many ways...|||You mean the last 60 years in central Europe... except for (whoops, exception!) Yugoslavia, of course. The thousands of years before and in the other 90% of the world it was pretty much different. Humans wage their wars since they learned how to use spears, clubs and stones.
You aren't that naive to believe that rights have any significance in international affairs, right? It's all about doing something, not about motives or morals. Get used to it, it is like that since the dawn of civilization.|||With respect to Libya, I'm not sure what France/UK/US hope to achieve with this intervention. Gadaffi is certainly a very nasty piece of work, but nobody seems to know what the end goal is, what actions they can take to achieve it, and the time at which it is decided whether that goal has been achieved. Also, if it's worth bombing Libya to topple a dictator, why not in other places, like, say, Bahrain*? The answer probably contains a healthy dose of realpolitik.
*Which, indicentally, hosts the HQ of the US fifth fleet.
@Osferath: I think that Iraq was a mistake, and I'm not convinced that this intervention in Libya is very sensible either. My point was that Vdzele is forever claiming that a secretive cabal of 'lords' preside over all world events, and that this is silly.|||Quote:
Also, if it's worth bombing Libya to topple a dictator, why not in other places, like, say, Bahrain*? The answer probably contains a healthy dose of realpolitik.
*Which, indicentally, hosts the HQ of the US fifth fleet.
Realpolitik? And to be a Healthy Dose?
Why not using the right word? Why the spin? Why not using hypocrisy instead?
For most of us living outside of the Matrix, hypocrisy is the 1st word that comes to our mind when mentioning The Empire.
Why not adding Saudi Arabia, Yemen�and other countries where you have installed puppet regimes and where we saw the same picture?|||Wait Wat?
I have a puppet installation in the middle east?
Dang did not think my arms reached that far, and they sure don't seem to move the way I want when I wiggle my fingers...|||That's part of the magnificence of it all, Bob! It's so secret, *you* don't even know you control their every move!|||Quote:
Realpolitik? And to be a Healthy Dose?
Why not using the right word? Why the spin? Why not using hypocrisy instead?
You don't believe that humankind will ever be anything else but hypocritic, do you?
You cannot change that and getting upset about it is a waste of time. Your theories about a worldwide conspiracy is a simplification, an attempt to get a picture of the whole, to find a kind of sense behind it. That illusion of understanding will please your intellect. However, there is no grand picture and no sense, it isn't that simple. It's just a collection of more or less incompetent dilettantes who are messing around with their share of the power. Some of them might do that for the sake of what is believed to be good for us, but we are unable to tell the ones from those who are even more skilled to pretend being like that while actually being different.
Realpolitik means that you will have to get along with the decision makers as they are. As soon as you know how to achieve that, you can try to change things a bit to the better... or to your advantage. However, others will assume that you are doing the second, even if you honestly mean the first. I doubt that Realpolitik will make the world a much better place, but it will prevent wasting time on pointless kinds of attempts.|||Quote:
That will take care of your ignorant laugh.
Ignorance can be excusable. Arrogance on the other hand....
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