There is also a tendency to feel like you HAVE to be good at anything you do, and if you do something new and come across as noobish... again... EVRY1 IZ DISAPPOINT.
It's not fair.
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but nobody on this board is average (there are a few below average, but it would be cruel to point them out)
i'd appreciate it if you stop talking about me like that.
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"thin line between genius and madness".
true, but crazy people like us can make some awesome works.
in all seriousness, im sorry to hear about your friend. trust me i know all about it.
i refuse to answer this. most people tend to be a lot smarter than i and i always feel dumb around most people, if not everyone. >.>|||Quote:
I laughed hard at that Bob, then I called my brother in and told him I did it in under 5 seconds. He practically yelled the words. You would be so proud.
Yelling the words does not solve the puzzle.
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Bob, you are a bad, bad man.
I thought it was pretty good, actually.
I took a "legit" IQ test once, but I think what it actually proved for me, conclusively, was what my old Socialist Social Studies teacher was trying to point out. IQ tests are not worth a hill of beans. All an IQ test does is provide a number to match a cultural judgement of what our society considers "Smaht".
Yes, I'm "smarter" than Bill Gates. What good has it done me, other than be one of a number of capabilities that help me deal better with life than someone on COPS?|||Quote:
Getting a patent here can be quite expensive (because you really need to go through an attorney), but we have a provisional patent which gives us the opportunity try and sell it for a year without having to lay out $1500 or more.
I like the idea of colleges and degrees, don't get me wrong, but I hate how so much of the world has decided that a degree is the only thing that counts. Most businesses really just treat a degree as a sign that someone is just now ready to learn how to do the job. Science degrees are some of the more critical ones (along with Law and Medicine), but for a lot of other fields, someone with talent and dedication can get quite far on their own.
Yeah, being smart can be really lonely and boring. School bored me to tears. I spent a lot of my time helping my friends learn stuff. Hehe, my parents always thought I should be a teacher, but I just DO NOT have the patience! As far as friends go, I'm lucky in that I'm best friends with my brother and we share most of the same interests (he doesn't like video games, but meh, nobody's perfect
). That last paragraph you wrote is like deja vu though! I'm largely a hermit these days because I don't know very many people in real life that I share many interests with. Like I mentioned in another thread, one of my only friends from school that really shared a lot of the same interests as me (plus video games!) is... having problems. I think he may be mentally ill, which is depressing. Reminds of the classic "thin line between genius and madness".Nice system you got. Here we basically are taxed off our graves for anything, so if it's not in large amounts, it's a hard start. Anyway, although I sometimes have itch to invent something, it's usually solutions and algorhitms.
I read a book, a bestseller of sorts, called "code of talent". it had one simple statement - you need 10k hours of work before you become a real pro at something. it's 5 years for 6 a day. Of course you need oppurtunities to take that talent into practical use and to make your skill profitable for you.
Same - was giving private lessons in various subjects to friends and acquaintances. I am going to be a teacher, but it is because I have some new ideas in pedagogy not my knowledge.
I take video games as a substitute for real life. I have friend who was too smart for school, self-studied physics, is always in process of looking for new stuff to learn, but he was a heavy WoW player. His explanations is that one world isn't enough - you need sci-fi and fantasy worlds as well. And he finds people boring, he has almost nobody to talk to. The odd thing is - he went to best math/ precise sciences high school in country and almost everyone in that class was 125+ IQ, with average of like 135+ (they were tested). The others had brains, had potential, but weren't that thirsty for knowledge.
Looking at rough numbers, 130 is 1/50 which isn't that rare. Another thing is how many of these people are dying to know something new. Many people I know are in 130 - 160, but they don't have a personality and willpower to focus on something. I have played chess and bridge, took part in puzzle solving events, brain games etc. it's sad to see that there are these people with potential, but they don't put it to use.
What are you interests actually? My main would be metaphysics, pedagogy, martial arts, theology, practical mathemathics, philosophy, psychology, antropology, economics.
I think that "thin line between geinuius and madness" is overrated due to public opinion of these people. Many high IQ people don't have equal emotional Q, which means they are bad at making friends, socialising, giving lectures, and overall daily life matters like cooking, cleaning, forgetting where their socks are etc.
I have several symptoms of Asperger's and other oddities, but as to mental illness, it is debatable. Illness means it isn't a norm, but some deviations aren't exactly bad, they are different.|||The concept of IQ as a single linear intelligence scale which can be used to rank everyone in order is nonsense. Not only that, the tests themselves cannot measure 'intelligence' directly only proxies for 'intelligence' which rely on other skills as well. You can practice for the tests and actually improve your scores, but did you get any smarter? Methinks not.
Intelligence just isn't that simple, nor is it a single variable. People can be extraordinarily gifted in completely different ways. For example spatial comprehension and verbal comprehension are two different types of intelligence, you can have two people really good at what the other is bad at, but you can't call one of them 'smarter'. Well you could, but you're only revealing your bias in what you perceive intelligence to be.
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true, but crazy people like us can make some awesome works.
in all seriousness, im sorry to hear about your friend. trust me i know all about it.
i refuse to answer this. most people tend to be a lot smarter than i and i always feel dumb around most people, if not everyone. >.>
But Leo! U R LEO! Everybody loves Leo!!
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I read a book, a bestseller of sorts, called "code of talent". it had one simple statement - you need 10k hours of work before you become a real pro at something. it's 5 years for 6 a day. Of course you need oppurtunities to take that talent into practical use and to make your skill profitable for you.
That sounds like a pretty good estimate. There is a lot of myth out there about intelligence and talent. I do think there are *some* genetic factors that go into it, but *most* of it is desire, interest, and work. Some people are naturally inclined to always think about things, always try to figure things out, always try to get good at things. This tends to start at a very young age and has a lot of environmental factors. When I was growing up, I had my dad, my brother, and my sister all trying to teach me stuff. It's like they couldn't wait until I was old enough to be ready for them! I really owe a lot to them.
When I was in kindergarten (around age 5), the teacher called each of us up to her desk to see how high we could count. (I remember her name was Mrs. Kirk, and I was already a "Trekky" by then, so I thought it was hilarious) When I went up there, I kept counting and counting and counting. Somewhere around 300 she stopped me and just asked how high I could count. I told her (quote) "999 zillion, 999 trillion, 999 billion, 999 million, 999 thousand, 999. I have to stop there because I don't know the name of what comes after zillion." She was totally speechless. She eventually said she had never heard a kid say anything like that. Then she asked what the highest I've ever actually counted is. I don't remember the exact number (I did at the time), but shortly before that, on the way back from a vacation, I had counted over 6,000 cars coming in the opposite direction before I got bored and took a nap. I told her about that, and she had a really weird look on her face and moved on. Despite the way it looks, I don't think that was a sheer expression of intelligence, just the fact that I was extremely interested in such things! I was a strange little child.
There is an interesting book called "The Myths of Innovation". In it, the author talks about how throughout history, these incredible discoveries seem to just appear from a "Eureka!" moment, but that is a complete lie. No great discovery or advancement has ever come out of the blue like that. These people spent long, long periods of time (many times years or even decades) pondering and working towards these innovations, not to mention the amount of time and effort that went into attaining the required skillset to even begin working on them. It reminds me of the saying "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Innovations look magical to most people, but they are really the result of good ol' fashion blood, sweat, and tears. And usually a bit of obsession.
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I take video games as a substitute for real life. I have friend who was too smart for school, self-studied physics, is always in process of looking for new stuff to learn, but he was a heavy WoW player. His explanations is that one world isn't enough - you need sci-fi and fantasy worlds as well. And he finds people boring, he has almost nobody to talk to. The odd thing is - he went to best math/ precise sciences high school in country and almost everyone in that class was 125+ IQ, with average of like 135+ (they were tested). The others had brains, had potential, but weren't that thirsty for knowledge.
Looking at rough numbers, 130 is 1/50 which isn't that rare. Another thing is how many of these people are dying to know something new. Many people I know are in 130 - 160, but they don't have a personality and willpower to focus on something. I have played chess and bridge, took part in puzzle solving events, brain games etc. it's sad to see that there are these people with potential, but they don't put it to use.
I have to admit, I probably haven't put myself to the most effective use either. For all the things that some people can stuff into their heads, they're still people too. We all have hang-ups and problems, some worse than others. That doesn't change as you go up the scale, just the forms may change. I have always liked fantasy worlds and have been an avid day-dreamer my entire life. I have an entire fantasy world I've created that spans generations and centuries that I would love to write games or novels about someday. Sometimes the normal world isn't enough. I don't really find other people boring though, I mostly find other people frustrating. It takes a good amount of energy for me to interact with other people, especially in real life, and I have a tendency to believe in people more than... is realistic I guess? I don't know, it's hard to explain.
I have a hard time focusing on any one thing for long, both short term and long term. I have always had attention deficit disorder (without hyperactivity) and my brain jumps from one thing to another to another to another. I have gotten much better about focusing when I need too, but It usually involves doing something where I don't have any more headroom to spare. Long term, I have a lot of different interests and not really enough time to do them effectively. I sing, play guitar and bass, I'm a fledgling recording engineer, I'm a computer programmer hopping from web programming, to video game programming, to audio plugin/digital signal processing programming, to hardware/firmware programming, to driver programming, to standard application programming. I'm also learning screen printing (harder than it sounds), machining, and am getting ready to help my brother create a CNC machine and possibly a robot. I can't believe all that reading back through it. "5 years, 6 hours a day"? Egads!!
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What are you interests actually? My main would be metaphysics, pedagogy, martial arts, theology, practical mathemathics, philosophy, psychology, antropology, economics.
Well, beyond what I've mentioned above, I am an avid armchair astro-physicist.
I'm interested in psychology, philosophy, and theology, and I'm total a politics junky as jmervyn can confirm. 
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I think that "thin line between geinuius and madness" is overrated due to public opinion of these people. Many high IQ people don't have equal emotional Q, which means they are bad at making friends, socialising, giving lectures, and overall daily life matters like cooking, cleaning, forgetting where their socks are etc.
I have several symptoms of Asperger's and other oddities, but as to mental illness, it is debatable. Illness means it isn't a norm, but some deviations aren't exactly bad, they are different.
Deviations aren't bad at all, and to some degree are necessary. For example, "normal people" don't spend decades working on a problem.
An old friend of my dad's had Asperger's and he was something of a savant when it came to amateur radio. I have a Ham license myself, but I haven't used it since I was a teenager. I remember around here, everyone used to say "You're not really a Ham until Louie has *****ed you out for 'not doing it right'." I met him once, you could tell he was different, but he was cool. You could tell he took it seriously though! He found out I was a Ham and started in on me a little, but when I told him I was working on getting my Morse Code license, he was all smiles. As far as my friend goes, it's more than perception. Thinking you hacked a satellite and crashed it into Jupiter when you were 7 and that people are out to steal your infinite energy technology is a problem.
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It's not all "Oh, so'n'so is just really smart!", it's a lot of interest, work, and dedication like what Boog was talking about earlier.
|||Quote:The concept of IQ as a single linear intelligence scale which can be used to rank everyone in order is nonsense. Not only that, the tests themselves cannot measure 'intelligence' directly only proxies for 'intelligence' which rely on other skills as well. You can practice for the tests and actually improve your scores, but did you get any smarter? Methinks not.
As soon as you have an exact definition of the term "intelligence", I will consider comments on the accuracy or inaccuracy of IQ tests. Until then, the IQ describes your skills at filling out IQ test forms.
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Intelligence just isn't that simple, nor is it a single variable. People can be extraordinarily gifted in completely different ways. For example spatial comprehension and verbal comprehension are two different types of intelligence, you can have two people really good at what the other is bad at, but you can't call one of them 'smarter'. Well you could, but you're only revealing your bias in what you perceive intelligence to be.
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In being pedantic: the 50th percentile isn't the average, it's the median.
So it boils down to what we want to have in a definition of the term and not what the definition currently is. In that case it makes no sense to discuss it at all as long as there's no consensus about it. It would be like debating about socialism with jmervyn
.|||I always did real well on IQ tests when i was a kid, but I think that's because they were logic and pattern recognition, which is stuff i'm good at. If you tested me on Art, literature, or Music, I have no aptitude, no talent, and only a cursory knowledge of the greats. I know I learned things a lot faster when i was younger. somewhere in my 20's that slowed down a little and I noticed I read things twice, which i never had to do as a kid. I'll tell you though. I'm a lot WISER than I was. Heck, at this rate I'll be some long bearded guru when I'm Blob's age. Maybe a Jedi Master
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